In this case it is more NLF for him being universal level, but that does not take away what he did which would allow him the win, that is why he would only scale to where ever Zeref scales to. So he scales to whatever that power is scalable to in the FT verse. Having the ability to produce infinite energy does not make one universal level, just the power to make their magic reserves never run dry. And the calculation gives the energy that makes it Country-Large Country level. The reason for the country level fusion is by the calculation that can determine the energy of radiation from his attacks that uses the nuclear fusion process. That is what I have been saying, the hotter his flames became the more he could distort spacetime. Wall showed city block level attacks, and was defeated by Laxus who showed mountain level attacks. Things are so much easier when we stick to feats. Then you must hype the parent dragons to continental for overpowering something that is continental. If you want to say Laxus is large country for defeating Wall, who you also hype to large country. The dragons had enough magic power to destroy those faces. Those faces had enough magic power to affect the continent of Ishgar (or massive supercontinent, if you want to say Fiore alone rivals the USA in size). We know this because Zeref was still able to use Fairy Heart's power even when his body was destroyed. Also, destroying Zeref's body does not destroy Fairy Heart. In order to stop Zeref from reversing time, Natsu needed to burn away Fairy Heart's power so that Zeref couldn't use it. In order to beat Zeref, Natsu had to stop Zeref from reversing time. Zeref's time magic allowed him to rewind time and undo all the damage Natsu dealt to him. He was able to bruise Zeref with regular punches to the face right before they went for the final exchange. Natsu was able to damage Zeref's body with dragon force, without the need to burn time. Zeref's time magic is not a shield that protects him. What does that make Acnologia, who is stronger than Natsu? Multiversal? Obviously Natsu's attacks are nowhere near universal. The only way to reach temperatures strong enough to disturb time is with planck temperatures, and planck temperature has only ever been achieved once in history. By the way, if Natsu's flames are hot enough to burn time, then he is definitely universal by real life science standards. And Natsu should be above that for defeating Zeref. If that was the case, then Zeref should be universal for having literally more power than the observable universe. But what does this have anything to do with our original debate? Remember that my original argument was that just because Wall has nuclear fusion, that doesn't mean he is country level. In this case, it made Natsu's flames so powerful that it could burn time. Power of feelings gives Natsu more power, and the more power he has the hotter his flames become. He seems like an actual God that takes on a non-physical form, similar to how the Japanese would view a Shinigami.Ĭlick to expand.I agree that time magic cannot be burned unless the flames are hot enough. If we assume that Zeref's projects met the criteria of "being massive enough" (since Ankhseram interfered when Zeref was creating a time portal 400 years ago), then in theory, the 5 Dragon Gods should have showed up during the Alvarez Arc when Zeref was about to reverse time.īesides, I don't picture Ankhseram being comparable to 4 other dragons, let alone only roaming within Giltena's borders. On the other hand, Elefseria said that the 5 Dragon Gods mostly kept to themselves, unless something "massive" occurs. That means Ankhseram must've been watching and actually cared enough to place the Curse of Contradictions on Zeref. 400 years ago, Zeref was cursed by Ankhseram after experimenting with the R-system and Eclipse Gate at the Mildian Magic Academy. In my opinion, Ankhseram was always a God that just overlooked Earthland and punished those who broke the laws that he had already set.īut more importantly, it wouldn't make sense that Ankhseram would be one of the 5 Dragon Gods according to how Elefseria described them. Actually, I doubt that the "leader" of the 5 Dragon Gods is Ankhseram.
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